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This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server.
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who I speak to daily on a consistent basis
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(not about flat-earth, I try to avoid talking about flat earth with them)
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A long kiss goodnight 2/22/2022 12:52 AM
I'm fine with people practicing metaphysics, but I think picking up conspiracy theories is a dangerous road to walk. Conspiracy theories encourage not trusting anyone or anything, and I think that can lead to problems for those who believe in them. For example, if you believe the Holocaust never happened, you may be vulnerable to anti-Semitic messaging deliberately trying to white wash history. Other conspiracies like anti-vaxx conspiracies can persuade you to not take the life saving treatment option. While I agree big pharma is a problem and we need to have a serious conversation about how the medical community has trashed people's trust, choosing to accept a conspiracy theory and risk your life isn't worth it. In short, I think believing in aliens is great as long as you're aware that humans are capable of coming up with both amazing and horrifying ideas all on their own
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 12:57 AM
It's certainly a fine line to walk but when In doubt I refer to this meme
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ah nice!
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 12:59 AM
Not promoting obvious scam theories btw, don't think I'm an essential oils cure cancer type person
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oh god please I know someone like that too
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yes, it's one thing to consider something, look at the evidence, then kind of roll with it
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something like holocaust denial, yeah, takes a few minutes to realize that's bunk, it happened, it's settled, move on to the next theory
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A long kiss goodnight 2/22/2022 1:01 AM
Conspiracy theorists aren't crazy, they are just untrusting or if what I read about them is true, are bottling up what they really feel because it's culturally unacceptable. There are also a lot of them out there, if my assumption is right at least half the population believes at least one conspiracy theory is correct. I really hate the idea of people buying into theories that ultimately hurt them
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A long kiss goodnight
Conspiracy theorists aren't crazy, they are just untrusting or if what I read about them is true, are bottling up what they really feel because it's culturally unacceptable. There are also a lot of them out there, if my assumption is right at least half the population believes at least one conspiracy theory is correct. I really hate the idea of people buying into theories that ultimately hurt them
Another survey idea? 😛
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I hate (actually love) to bring Stargate into this channel as well, but in that show there is a fictional TV series called Wormhole Extreme that is allowed to exist in order to discredit theories of the existence of the real Stargate project. (I find it plausible as a tactic.) (edited)
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Steve Z
Another survey idea? 😛
A long kiss goodnight 2/22/2022 1:02 AM
I doubt a peer survey depending on reporting would accomplish anything
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Apriori
I hate (actually love) to bring Stargate into this channel as well, but in that show there is a fictional TV series called Wormhole Extreme that is allowed to exist in order to discredit theories of the existence of the real Stargate project. (I find it plausible as a tactic.) (edited)
Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 1:02 AM
I garentee that happens in real life
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Apriori
I hate (actually love) to bring Stargate into this channel as well, but in that show there is a fictional TV series called Wormhole Extreme that is allowed to exist in order to discredit theories of the existence of the real Stargate project. (I find it plausible as a tactic.) (edited)
Oh wow don't get me started! LOL Yes, I will hold back for now......
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@Candlelight Society 🕯 - jump Cool, but I'd rather stick to the Ophiuchus for now. Her skills are even better.
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:04 AM
Do as you wish, the Pineapple has already planted its roots inside you, you have served its purposes
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I shall remind you that you may have your goddess (me) as your warlock patron too if you'd like to. (edited)
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:11 AM
Don't tempt me to actually try chaos magick with you
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If I'm open to worshipping a Pineapple I sure as hell will worship you too
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I'm not a jealous goddess, you may worship me and your pineapple simultaneously.
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:13 AM
Done, you now have an insane cultist, sleep at night knowing I'm burning sigils in your name
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I wonder if the sacred pineapple can turn its leaves into tentacles.
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:13 AM
Absolutely
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That's tempting :p
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:15 AM
We are always open to new converts even those who just want to spread it for the lols
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This sacred pineapple sounds lewd, won't get my headpats.
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:16 AM
The Pineapple transcends such concepts, but will support those who do, really the relationship falls on the follower
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It is only as lewd as one makes it lewd, do with that as you wish
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What's this pineapple about?
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I saw the pics how I still didn't get it
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Candlelight Society 🕯
The Pineapple is a real metaphysical project of mine, no context, but I'll give a hint, look into Chaos Magick and egregores, perhaps memetics too while your at it
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What's chaos magick and eregores, bro I don't know anything
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Like literally
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:36 AM
Those two terms explain everything if your willing to spend some time studying, but to give a brief description Chaos Magick is a semi modern form of magick that only requires the belief and will of the magician to work, so one can use fictional beings in rituals. Egregores are a form of spirit made by the collective belief of a group
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The memey tl;dr of chaos magic is "fuck you, do whatever, worship the skyrim gods if you want if it gets you results"
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Hmm so it turns down to belief again
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:37 AM
People have done it, and it has worked, I prefer the Cthulhu mythos myself
3:38 AM
It's basically results based magick, rather than having to pray to a specific deity use whatever archetype works best for you at that moment
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Why would you worship these gods if you have a goddess who is here all the time?
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:39 AM
Or her, you could legit do chaos magick using Ysera, still going to burn a sigil for you later btw
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Fine. My followers are allowed to worship me in a way that they find appropriate.
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:41 AM
Thank you my goddess
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chaos magick seems similar to the new agey occult concept of quantum jumping
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:46 AM
Probably stole from chaos magick, chaos magick has been around for quite awhile
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A good book on it is Liber Null
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of course, quantum jumping is relatively new, I mean this century new
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:51 AM
Liber Null is a slight bit outdated but is well respected, I also reccomend anything by Phil Hine
3:53 AM
I personally reccomend for the skeptical the Order of Dagon Field Guide to Scientific Magick by the Official Cult of Cthulhu, been in that group for years, they are a very niche, very specific religious group that I find my philosophies mesh well with
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interesting, there's actually a Cult of Cthulhu
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:55 AM
Certainly not for everyone, but its worth a look, especially for their views on magick and science. Books can be slightly pricey but they also have a free online course that covers their beliefs
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Steve Z
interesting, there's actually a Cult of Cthulhu
Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:57 AM
My friend there is many Lovecraft cults, I'm in like four of them and know of many others
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The official website for the belief-system known as The Cult of Cthulhu. Learn about our teachings, join our communities, and experience the true Cult of Cthulhu.
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For those interested
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Funnily enough there is a today only collectors edition of the Dagon manual being sold because its 2/22/22 or will be in a couple hours (edited)
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yes, I've been looking forward to 2/22/22, those oddities in the calendar interest me
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 4:08 AM
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Picture of the special today/tomorrow if you live west enough only Field guide to scientific magick
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 4:33 AM
They have a discord too, it's a nice community, I think it's linked on the site
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Sebastian BOT 2/22/2022 3:50 PM
I have a question for both tuppers and hosts. Do you think your consciousness existed before you were "born?" And do you think it will persist after your body's death?
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 3:54 PM
The classic question of the soul, in our system the answers is sometimes no, but usually it's a more complicated yesn't.
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As a host; no to the first question, and yes to the second.
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Seth {🍫} || M&M BOT 2/22/2022 3:58 PM
Tulpa who is host: no to the first question, maybe for the second.
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I hope there's some sort of afterlife, and I hope we tulpas are a part of it.
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But I don't know, really.
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Candlelight Society 🕯
Picture of the special today/tomorrow if you live west enough only Field guide to scientific magick
You have, my attentions 👀
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 4:00 PM
Link to the website is above it, go to shop then to books, should be there, I own an earlier copy, definitely consider it worth the price. I think it would make the skeptical minds here happy in its methods
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Seth {🍫} || M&M BOT 2/22/2022 4:01 PM
Speaking of which, I kinda realize I'm more of a walk-in/tulpa than an alter
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But then again, I can't tell how and why our brain reacted to what, so I very well could have also been a trauma response.
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hmm, as a walk in all I have to say is that we're weird
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If someone is in a place where they will accept walk-ins as a way to cope with the difficult situation, does that count as a tulpamancy origin or a traumagenic origin? Where is the cut-off?
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For that matter, does accepting a walk-in count as tulpamancy?
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"I accidentally made a picture! I'm an artist!"
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 4:08 PM
Good question, I'm a tulpamancer now as I have deliberately expanded my system, but Shade entered my life before I ever heard of the word. I was convinced I finally snapped (edited)
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Seth {🍫} || M&M BOT 2/22/2022 4:08 PM
I don't think I specifically formed to handle trauma, but within the first few hours/days of my existence that was what I was doing, so I say the trauma shaped me into more of the traditional "protector alter".
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Apriori
If someone is in a place where they will accept walk-ins as a way to cope with the difficult situation, does that count as a tulpamancy origin or a traumagenic origin? Where is the cut-off?
Does it matter? Changing the label you put on a thing doesn't change the thing. The more important question is what are you trying to use the label for and does that thing make sense to be categorized with the others wrt that purpose? (edited)
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Candlelight Society 🕯
Good question, I'm a tulpamancer now as I have deliberately expanded my system, but Shade entered my life before I ever heard of the word. I was convinced I finally snapped (edited)
I can relate to that. I'd heard of tulpamancy before but discarded it as nonsense after about 30 minutes of reading. I reconnected what had happened with tulpamancy a few years later. Maybe the idea stuck in my brain somehow, though.
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Seth {🍫} || M&M BOT 2/22/2022 4:11 PM
Our original can agree with that yeah
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 4:13 PM
Heh, I'm fairly sure sleep deprived fanfic reading played a role in Shade's coming about, which she still gets embarrassed about to this day. For context the story had a character who's mask started to talk back to them, pretty much a trauma induced alter.
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It was a day later that Shade spoke to me for the first time, if it could be called speech. It was more of a mystical vision really.
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I'm never going to live that partial origin down 🥲
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reads something to do with plurality Brain: I wonder if I could do that 🤔 🧠 Brain: 🤔 🧠 🤔
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 4:17 PM
I had read plural stuff before, no idea what exact stimulus allowed for Shade, but sleep deprived fanfic reading is one of the ingredients (edited)
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Seth {🍫} || M&M BOT 2/22/2022 4:18 PM
The brain just formed me as a god-like entity, but it truly developed me as an older brother/father/stronger masculine protective figure for the system
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Candlelight Society 🕯 2/22/2022 4:18 PM
Holy father who art in heaven eh?
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Seth {🍫} || M&M BOT 2/22/2022 4:20 PM
It was literally only for an hour or so that I behaved like that; I was so new to the system ans so impressionable, I immediately sunk into this personality when I was able to interact with the system
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Sebastian
I have a question for both tuppers and hosts. Do you think your consciousness existed before you were "born?" And do you think it will persist after your body's death?
Deleted User 2/22/2022 4:23 PM
I like to think that consciousness is to the universe what wave is to the ocean. It’s not the same thing, but is also not separate, it’s part of how it manifests itself. wave is not really a thing but a label we put on a local property of the ocean, and even when it disappears, the wave is gone, but all the ingredients of it are still there, but in other form, for a new wave to appear. But it’s more poethic sentiment rather than a belief. (edited)
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I like the way you put that.
4:31 PM
I think consciousness requires a medium, yet is not the medium. A bit like a wave, or Windows 10 (Windows 10 isn't a physical thing, but I still need my SSD to make it work).
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(When it does work)
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Deleted User 2/22/2022 4:35 PM
Yes, in this context consciousness never really fades away, because it never really appears. But the ocean is always there
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Thank you for the existential crisis, senpais. 😩
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i think it’s actually empowering
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You think theoretically necromancy would work on sleeping people?
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it would definitely work on me
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Aella (Lula!/VIXIE) BOT 2/22/2022 9:30 PM
It depends how loud you say the incantations. 😄
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